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i find we often take a splinter of a perspective and run with it, regardless of consequence.
and we often argue against something, even if something beautiful is also to be found in that which we disagree with -
and this causes disassociation, it c…
"The overarching connection in all of these crises has to do with the great Western heresy – that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God. It’s caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvati…
The Presiding Bishop brought clarity to her remarks on the "great Western heresy" as that of individualism. I'm right on board with what she said. You can find the article here.
I am currently reading Diana Butler Bass's A People's History of Christianity, and one of the things that I have gleaned from our broad history as followers of Christ is this simple notion: whenever a group proclaims exclusive authority, they become…
When and how is it ok to refer to individual salvation?
I agree that it is important to place her grace's Comment ("Western heresy") in context, and it does seem PB is speaking of primacy. I think that's what my hopeful speculation was above, put differently of course.
Who decides what is an official heresy? The old Roman Catholic church they have rejected with its tradition of official heresys
Mark and Eric,
I haven't read it in a few weeks now, but I was more taken by the first part of the phrase than the second: 'Western Heresy'. The implication (for me) is the particularly Western (and specifically) American Protestantism that is most…
I know this is discussion has gone into hibernation, but I think this is an important topic in light of the 2009 General Convention. I regret that I have not been exposed to this type of discussion anywhere but here. Nobody in other networks or medi…
What you said about interconnectedness makes perfect sense and I would agree if that's what I knew she was saying. Thank you for your thoughts. And you're right, I do not want to put words in the PB's mouth either! That's why I really wish there was…
Hi Mark,
I don't want to speak for the PB, but I do think people read into her statement a little more than she actually meant - or maybe I could say they read LESS into what she meant. We got to remember the context that brought about those openin…
I would suspect that the Presiding Bishop’s heresy remarks within her opening address to the 2009 General Convention would illicit strong feelings with a resounding, “AMEN!” or a nervous, “Huh?” from just about anyone. Her words certainly drew a str…
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- At 6:44am on May 6, 2009,
Ian Mobsby said… - Hi Mark....
Very pleased to see you here
Cheers
Ian X
- At 4:03pm on May 5, 2009,
Adin Eichler said… - hey, mark!
gr8 2 c u here on anglimergent, 2!
cheerio!
adin
- At 3:58pm on May 5, 2009,
Benjamin Gilmour said… - Hey Mark, great to see you here.
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