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“the great Western heresy” ?
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Kieran Conroy Feb 5, 2010.
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"The theology of salvation is varied and interesting... and I might add instructive... some of the theories put me off and Hadge I would say we're not alone in this. You mention "penal substitution" and I would guess many of us on this…"
Hadge Hughes replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"I'm finding more and more that the language of salvation is inadequate in describing or attempting to describe what we may or may not be trying to say about the relationship we have as humankind to the divine or the transcendent or G-d. The…"
Bill Stoker replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"i find we often take a splinter of a perspective and run with it, regardless of consequence.
and we often argue against something, even if something beautiful is also to be found in that which we disagree with -
and this causes disassociation, it…"
""The overarching connection in all of these crises has to do with the great Western heresy – that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God. It’s caricatured in some quarters by…"
Mark Wirtz replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"The Presiding Bishop brought clarity to her remarks on the "great Western heresy" as that of individualism. I'm right on board with what she said. You can find the article here."
Drew Downs replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"I am currently reading Diana Butler Bass's A People's History of Christianity, and one of the things that I have gleaned from our broad history as followers of Christ is this simple notion: whenever a group proclaims exclusive authority,…"
"When and how is it ok to refer to individual salvation?"
Mark Wirtz replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"I agree that it is important to place her grace's Comment ("Western heresy") in context, and it does seem PB is speaking of primacy. I think that's what my hopeful speculation was above, put differently of course."
Drew Downs replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"Mark and Eric,
I haven't read it in a few weeks now, but I was more taken by the first part of the phrase than the second: 'Western Heresy'. The implication (for me) is the particularly Western (and specifically) American…"
Mark Wirtz replied to Karen Ward's discussion 'We are Anglican and We are Many'"I know this is discussion has gone into hibernation, but I think this is an important topic in light of the 2009 General Convention. I regret that I have not been exposed to this type of discussion anywhere but here. Nobody in other networks or…"
Mark Wirtz replied to Mark Wirtz's discussion “the great Western heresy” ?"What you said about interconnectedness makes perfect sense and I would agree if that's what I knew she was saying. Thank you for your thoughts. And you're right, I do not want to put words in the PB's mouth either! That's why I…"
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I would suspect that the Presiding Bishop’s heresy remarks within her opening address to the 2009 General Convention would illicit strong feelings with a resounding, “AMEN!” or a nervous, “Huh?” from just about anyone. Her words certainly drew a strong reaction from me, and thus, I took considerable time to study her words. Frankly, I wish she would expound upon her theological statements…See More
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- At 6:44am on May 6, 2009,
Ian Mobsby said… - Hi Mark....
Very pleased to see you here
Cheers
Ian X
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Benjamin Gilmour said… - Hey Mark, great to see you here.
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